miércoles, 16 de julio de 2008

Ajedrez vs Go

Si usted es lector asiduo de este blog sabrá por algún post anterior que soy gran fanático de ajedrez.
Hace algún tiempo atrás un compañero de trabajo al enterarse que me gustaba el ajedrez me pregunto si también me gustaba el “go”. La verdad que ni lo conocía y nunca lo había escuchado nombrar. Después de que me tirara dos o tres tips de por donde empezar a leer y aprender del juego empecé a jugar algunas partidas por internet y a intentar mejorar mi juego por medio de un programa llamado igowin.

Al comienzo me sentí bastante atraído por el “nuevo juego” y le dedicaba mas tiempo que el que mi mujer hubiese querido en mis ratos libres. Vale la pena acotar que mientras tanto nunca deje de lado a mi querido ajedrez, siempre seguí jugando mis partidas por correspondencia en internet. Luego con el paso del tiempo fui dejando de lado al go, juego alguna partida en forma esporádica.

Hoy en la mañana tuve una “pequeña discusión” con aquel compañero de trabajo que me inicio en el juego del go. Él planteó que el go era mejor juego que el ajedrez. Yo actuando más como un hincha de futbol enseguida retruque que eso era un disparate, sin mayores argumentos dije que el ajedrez era mejor que el go.

Luego de pensar un rato y ya mas calmado me puse a analizar que quiere decir que un juego sea mejor que otro. Parece ser algo bastante personal, creo que el mejor juego para uno es el que mas le divierte siendo ese uno de los principales objetivos de un juego. Cuando un juego ya no divierte deja de cumplir uno de sus cometidos.

En ese contexto para mi el ajedrez es mejor juego que el go, pero veamos un poco algunas diferencias y similitudes del go y el ajedrez que pueden también a llegar a servir para determinar de otra forma diferente cual puede ser mejor juego.
  • Edad recomendada para jugar
    Ambos esta recomendado para jugadores de 3 años o mas

  • Cantidad de jugadores
    En ambos juegan dos jugadores

  • Reglas
    El ajedrez tiene reglas de juego más complejas.
    En el go las reglas son pocas y simples.

  • Tamaño del tablero
    En el ajedrez es de 8x8
    En el go es 19x 19

  • Uso del cerebro
    En el go se dice que se usa tanto la parte izquierda como derecha del cerebro
    En el ajedrez solo la izquierda

  • Cantidad de piezas
    1 reina, 1 rey, dos torres, dos caballos, dos alfiles y 8 peones de cada lado cada uno con diferente tipo de movimiento en el ajedrez
    Un numero ilimitado de piedras que se colocan en una posición del tablero y no se mueven para cada jugador

  • Programas de computación
    Un buen programa de computadora puede tener el nivel de un gran maestro de ajedrez, incluso deep blue de IBM logró vencer al campeón mundial
    El mejor programa de go existente en el momento solo puede tener un nivel intermedio. Existe incluso un premio de millones de dólares al que logre realizar un programa que pueda vencer a un jugador profesional de go.

  • Objetivo del juego
    El objetivo del ajedrez es encerrar al rey contrario. Para eso seguramente haya que destruir gran parte del ejercito enemigo
    En el go el objetivo es dominar más territorio que el rival. Se dice que en contrapartida del ajedrez la idea es construir en lugar de destruir.

Estas son solo algunas de las similitudes y diferencias. Seguramente los partidarios de cada uno de los juegos podrían basarse en algunas de esas diferencias para justificar que un juego es mejor que otro.
Yo prefiero quedarme con una justificación más simple… A mi me divierte mas el ajedrez ;)

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hace unos meses yo estaba igual que tu pensando que era mejor el ajedrez o el go, hace unos meses empece a jugar el go, y ahora practico los dos , a diario, y la verdad es que si sientes la diferencia muy fuerte , los objetivos, las estrategias, las formas de pensar, de hecho leia por ahi que el ajedrez es 90%tactico , y el go 90% estrategia, y podria seguirte diciendo mas razones, para practiques los dos, pero es mejor que te des cuenta por ti mismo, Otra cosa para poder decir que comprendes el go, debes jugar como minimo unas 150 partidas, no en vano hay un proverbio que dice que para poder empezar a jugar go, necesitas perder tus primeras 50 partidas lo mas pronto posible, asta que lo haces , sabras a que me refiero con esto, y porque este proverbio esmuy importante para los iniciados,. bueno saludos, y te lo recomiendo.

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En realidad el éxito de los programas de ajedrez se debe a que utilizan la teoría de aperturas, que los grandes maestros han desarrollado por centenares de años (el primer tratado lo publicó Philidor en 1777 "Analyse Du Jeu Des Echecs"), desconozco la madurez del go como juego científico (con una teoría del juego detrás), para poder evaluar si es realmente mas complejo que el ajedrez, o la no existencia de programas fuertes en el juego del go se debe tan sólo a que no ha sido tan exhaustivamente estudiado como el ajedrez.

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El ajedrez es mucho más dinámico
En Go, una vez colocada una piedra no puede moverse, es estática. En Ajedrez, las piezas están en flujo constante, maniobrando de un lado a otro mientras intentan completar los objetivos. Conceptualmente, el ajedrez combina lo espacial y lo temporal, mientras que Go es sólo espacial. El estilo constantemente cambiante del ajedrez es más gratificante, y lleva a mayores posibilidades estéticas. Es más, cada pieza tiene una función diferente, dando al juego un sentido inherente de complejidad: la coreografía potencial de piezas que funcionan de manera diferente genera, por sí misma, posibilidades artísticas que carecen de Go. Esto me lleva a mi siguiente punto:

El ajedrez es más profundo y más complejo en un sentido estrictamente estratégico

Pensar que el único propósito del ajedrez es el jaque mate, el Rey opuesto es demasiado reductor y simplista. A diferencia de Go, donde el juego se centra totalmente en el agarre de más espacios, en Ajedrez el verdadero objetivo del jugador es crear desigualdades estratégicas, o lo que Jeremy Silman llama "desequilibrios". Algunos ejemplos incluyen: juego de piezas menores (obispo vs caballero), presión en el lado de la reina frente al rey, movilidad superior y espacio (el ajedrez incluye el mismo concepto de territorio que todo el juego de Go se basa en Una desigualdad estratégica entre otras), el control de un archivo o cuadrado clave, un liderazgo en el desarrollo, la iniciativa (similar al concepto de sente in Go), las diferencias en la estructura del peón como peones dobles, peones aislados, cadenas de peones, etc. La lista continúa, pero el punto es siempre el mismo: el juego de ajedrez consiste en crear, localizar y aprovechar los desequilibrios en una posición. Contraste el dinamismo y la complejidad estratégica del juego de ajedrez con Go, donde el juego se centra únicamente en anexar territorios a tu oponente.

El ajedrez es más táctico, emocionante y divertido
En el ajedrez, un juego de nivel superior típico podría ir así: sacrificas un peón para ganar espacio y actividad, usa eso para intentar tomar el centro pero fallar porque tu oponente usa su peón extra para retener el control, luego reformar, sacrificar un obispo , Y atacar a la reina, finalmente rompiendo con sus torres, e inmediatamente trasladando el ataque al castillo del rey. Se pierde de todos modos, porque inherente a cada posición es la inestabilidad - todo está en flujo - por lo que su oponente moviliza en el último momento un contraataque contra su rey, que queda desprotegido porque su propio ataque se extendió demasiado lejos.
Ese tipo de dinamismo emocionante, el ir y venir de golpe táctico después de un golpe táctico, es prácticamente inexistente en el juego de Go, donde los juegos son menos explosivos y se centran en la consolidación de territorios en lugar de ataques brutales all-in.
Y, sin embargo, el ajedrez también ofrece el estilo lento y puramente posicional de Go: extendió batallas estratégicas sobre un solo cuadrado, acumulando ventajas microscópicas hasta que la presión de un jugador agobia al otro.
Debido a que el ajedrez incluye estilos tácticos y posicionales de juego, digo que el ajedrez es más profundo. En Go, los jugadores no pueden mover sus piedras, lo que hace que los juegos se centren únicamente en estructuras estáticas. Pero en el Ajedrez, los jugadores negocian entre el movimiento y la estasis, el relativo y lo absoluto. Conceptualmente y filosóficamente, el ajedrez cubre una gama más amplia de posibilidades.

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